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    • #7182
      Sita
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      Patient is complaining of neck/shoulder pain that does not feel muscular and has been with her for 2 years. It has not responded to any other treatments, but after a few days on shaoyang herbs her eczema flared up severely all over her legs and feet. It filled with oozing clear pus, and skin became raw. She stopped herbs. Has lots of other chronic health issues, too. I clearly have the diagnosis incorrect and would love some insight on what went wrong. Today’s pulse: L1 deep slippery, L2 deep thin wiry rapid, L3 deep, Dong 1/2 (and L2 & L3 feel slightly higher than L1…?). R1 deep, R2 deep big, R3 deep wiry. The previous week the L guan seemed a touch higher. Overall all her pulses are deep though. She came in with lingering sinus congestion that she didn’t want to take abx for (3 weeks, green mucus). I had her on CHGZGJT + GL/XB + GG, SM. Her eczema immediately broke out around her mouth/lips & inside her mouth after starting the formula. The congestion improved after a week. I moved to CHGZGJT + GL/XB + LGZGT, and 3 days on that and the eczema on her feet broke out. Congestion is all better. Other S/Sx: very vivid dreams, incomplete BMs, large internal hemorrhoid resulting in the need to splint to have a BM, “allergic” to almost all environmental allergens and cycts in her breasts. She has a history of chronic infections and eczema since infancy: steroid creams as a baby, recurrent sinus infections, lung, bladder and kidney infections from infancy through teenage years. She reports being on abx almost every other week for much of childhood. Pulse looks like a Yin conformation (DG) pulse, but sx seem like Yang conformation. Could this be a GCXXT pulse that’s just overall deep and weak, and I’m not reading it right? And why oh why is the CH formula flaring up the eczema like this?

    • #7789
      Aaron
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      DG patients flare on shaoyang formulas. The left cun could be indicating some blood heat as well so DG + blood heat = CXDDGS (it’s good for hemorrhoids, too).

    • #7786
      Arnaud Versluys
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      Mike Trinh

    • #8110
      Sita
      Participant

      Ah! Thanks Aaron! I hadn’t even thought about how Shaoyang herbs would flare her up if she’s a DG patient.

    • #7787
      Sita
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      This may be a really silly question, but the shoulder/neck pain seems like Shaoyang channel pain, and is completely non-responsive to acupuncture so far. It should theoretically clear up with herbs, right?

    • #8111
      Sita
      Participant

      Meaning Shaoyang pivots from Jueyin, so in excess JueYin moves into Shaoyang?

    • #7788
      Sita
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      eli-huang

    • #8112
      Arnaud Versluys
      Keymaster

      I was referring to Aaron Alan Chesterton’s rather absolute statement.

    • #7790
      wayne
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      With swollen lymph glands and a wiry L guan, I’d consider treating Shao Yang first.

    • #8113
      Arnaud Versluys
      Keymaster

      Transition through DGJZT.

    • #8120
      Aaron
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      I meant to type “can flare on shaoyang formulas “. That was a grammatical error.

    • #8121
      Sita
      Participant

      Awesome, Stephen Bonzak. Thank you! Thank you for that comparison.

    • #8122
      wayne
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      Hi Sita, think you are on track. I believe harmonize with GCXXT first (also excellent treatment for eczema and food allergy). After the excess of the stomach and dampness of tai yin are clear, ensure the “tube (hollow organ)†is not stuck, then move into a tai yin/jue yin DGJZT formula to build the blood. Level the ground with harmonizing first before building on top of it with Jian Zhong.

    • #8123
      Sita
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      Thank you Wayne. I’d love to understand why the CH formula flared up the eczema so much- is it the opening and outward pungent nature of CH?

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